. >> joining me now is john walsh, former host of "america's most wanted." john, this is really quite extraordinary, isn't it? >> piers, it's incredible. as marc klaas was talking about, jaycee dugard, who is going to be here in washington tomorrow night at the national center for missing and exploited children's hope awards, and i'm going to give her the award as a hero, she was kept in a backyard for 18 years, raped repeatedly and bore two children by her seriously demented and multiple time convicted molester and rapist, and she got back alive. and tomorrow night, she'll be here. she's been in counseling as was mentioned by marc. she has been in counseling for all this time and our recommendation at the national centers is that they don't do any media, that they get that counseling, especially if one of these women has a child by this guy. it's a terrible challenge to say i was raped, i was kept as a hostage and i fathered a child by my rapist. but this is just as marc said, this is incredible. we did these two cases, not the older lady but we did both the girls' cases on "america'